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Author and futurist Peter Schwartz, former head of scenerio planning for Royal Dutch Shell, took the stage at Cleantech Forum XVIII in Washington, D.C. and said clean technology professionals shouldn't believe what they hear about peak oil.
Schwartz, who doesn't shirk from the dramatic (see Peak oil "wrong," says Schwartz) made his remarks on a closing panel with David H. McCormick, the U.S. Department of Treasury Under Secretary for International Affairs, moderated by Chris Meye, CEO of Monitor Networks.
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Nationally-owned oil holders may *over-estimate* their reserves!
Submitted on June 4th, 2009 by Dr. Aaron Baum (not verified)1. Most of the remaining oil is owned by NATIONS -- i.e. S.A., Russia, Venezuala, etc. -- not companies on regulated stock exchanges. Nations may have motivation to exaggerate their reserves, and certainly have no-one to check up on them or levy consequences if they lie. So there may be some surprises ahead, and they may not go the way he suggests.
2. He does not mention the equally-important rise in *demand* for oil, as China, India, Brazil, etc. industrialize. Rising demand, more expensive supply = permanently more expensive oil, with demand kept in check by either recession or improved efficiency. Biofuels won't fill the gap much, most are inherently limited, and the others will take a while to grow into significant suppliers.
Anyone wanna buy Hummer?
There is a "Silver Bullet" for world energy.
Submitted on November 6th, 2009 by Harold Helsley (not verified)Yes, cheap easy oil is in fast decline. Matt Simmons has stated "We have spent 1.5 Trillion to almost keep the supply of oil flat." (his source: EIA 3/09) We have not seen the demands of China, India and other third world nations for energy.
The solution is fusion power as proposed by a company in Santa Cruz based upon the research done at ANL with Hughes back in the late 70's by the DOD but never built due to funding "Star Wars" as a weapon. Today, we are putting billions into minor potential sources of non-base load energy. Fusion can be built ass a base load source within the decade if we make a commitment to do so, the science is done ... it is "more ready to go" than the space program was when it was engaged upon in the 60's. Fusion is build-able NOW, not a research project.
The development of fusion energy is like the development of a giant oil field, about $30 billion to develop and bring on line in ten years. But fusion has a life of thousands of years, not just a couple of decades. Early conservative estimates expect it to produce over $10 billion per year in just electricity generation.
With a HIF fusion complex there can be 10's of GWs of electricity, Hydrogen for synthetic transportation fuels and potable water with desalination, while promoting world efforts in nonproliferation and global CO2 reductions.(an this extend the life of fossil fuels for chemical uses)
There is a "Silver Bullet" for world needs. All we need to do is fund it to re-establish America's world leadership.
Thats some Strawman BS right there
Submitted on June 5th, 2009 by zach wilson (not verified)He implies that peak oil advocates say that we're simply "running out of oil" and we don't understand that the oil we are going to be mining now (which we have a lot of) is going to be costlier. This is such a stupid, intentional misrepresentation of the position of many advocates of the peak oil concept it is simply infuriating.
Peak Oil has never been about supply (although quality of supply is a factor), it has always been about flow rate. Peak oil is about whether or not we can maintain the current, expected level of oil production at current costs and if not, what the ramifications for that are.
More expensive oil means that we're spending more of our GDP on energy which means a lower quality of life across the board. Someone has to suffer, likely a lot of people have to make major sacrifices. At $125 a barrel, we're spending 1/4 of our GDP on energy. If this Brazilian oil that he's talking about is that expensive or approaching that level of expense, is that something that we can maintain with our present economy? I don't think it's very likely and as a result many dependent sectors of the economy will suffer - like food production and manufacturing.
Agreed, but...
Submitted on June 5th, 2009 by Simon (not verified)The more sophisticated Peak Oil arguments may be about flow rate, but the ones that permeate the popular media right now are all about the 'end of oil' which is of course sexier/scarier and make for better ratings. I believe that is what he is attempting (somewhat defensively) to respond to.
Peak Oil
Submitted on June 21st, 2009 by Paul Emerson (not verified)All these post are rather silly in a sense. But that’s because I have trouble keeping up with true brilliance. So while we sit and try to dig the truth, the value of the currency I use to purchase fuels/energy (or build drilling Platforms) continues to fall. And it’s easier to pay off a bond with a deflated dollar…right? Hang on, and think, I’ll lose some of you, oh well that’s life. Its like diamonds, they’re very rare, and rarer still if you control the supply. It’s worth mentioning that our venerable oil companies are also stockholders of those wonderful official sounding Cartel Banks called Federal Reserve Banks, Inc. (Thank you Paul Warburg) Run by none other than Governors, how official sounding, everyone listen to them they’re obviously doing the business of the people in their Districts. Interesting shell game I've been watching for years. Let’s see new production facilities, nope, new exploration, not hardly, new technologies, nope. Gosh I remember having to lease Lears to get 50 cent parts up to BP’s drilling platforms on the slope, “Down Costs” back then were $100k an hour. That was big money back then. Lets see gas lines, I recall sitting in them...1973..yep...hmm 1970 Nixon, went to the floating dollar , that’s a oxymoron right. Military industrial Complex…hmmm 60’s stuff. What it hasn’t changed, no that can’t be! You mean this is being run by just a few nefarious individuals. Creating class envy, misrepresenting capitalism (when you have a few controlling the currency, sorry that’s not really capitalism.) Ops off topic, let’s see shale oil, steam extraction…yep I remember that! Who the hell is Stewart and Stevens , Brown and Root, or old Ralph M Parson (is he a real person), Steve Bechtel, and the old Flour guys…yep it’s all about reserves…watch the shells…little secret there nothing under any of them shells boyz, turn around and look behind you…foggy huh? I have a bad attitude what you see is not what you get, what you think you know is real doesn’t exist. And you have a clear handle on all of this as far as you know. Truth does not contend truth….ever. And its real, thank Goodness for that little fact.
Peak Oil
Submitted on June 30th, 2009 by Ambrose M (not verified)Perhaps you would be kind enough to rewrite that with some more clarity?
I think the point you were making is that a very few, powerful men control the money supply, currency exchange and energy supply.
If I understood correctly then I entirely agree.
His Quals vs. ?
Submitted on June 26th, 2009 by Geoff (not verified)There are very few people on the planet I would less like to debate about a subject such as this one than Peter Schwartz. I have known him for years, and he is a genius polymath with deep energy industry experience. As for hair-splitting about what Peak Oil really stands for, to most of us who have studied it (which includes Peter) it involves the Hubbert/Campbell/Deffeyes notions of declining production once we pass roughly 50% of the original oil in place (I'm simplifying this, of course.) There are important differences between this geology-driven view of a peak and a geopolitically-driven (or capital-constrained) peak in global oil output. Among other things, the former is permanent; the latter might not be.
Shar eof GDP
Submitted on June 26th, 2009 by Geoff (not verified)Oh, by the way, @ $125/bbl, oil is 7% of US GDP, not 25%. Big difference.
Misunderstanding peak oil
Submitted on June 5th, 2009 by Lou Grinzo (not verified)I just love how often we hear things like this pronouncement from Peter Schwartz, wherein someone dismisses peak oil, usually with the ridiculous "peak oil means no oil" canard, and then explicitly mentions how the cheap oil supplies can no longer meet our demand.
This is precisely what peak oil says! It DOES NOT say that we'll wake up one day to find that all of the oil is gone; it says that we'll exploit the cheapest reserves first, which only makes economic sense, and that eventually (but before we hit the peak) rising demand and the depletion of the cheapest, oldest fields will force us to mix in ever greater amounts of oil that is considerably more expensive and harder to produce in high volume. And that's exactly where we are today.
an argument full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
Submitted on June 5th, 2009 by Earl Killian (not verified)Does Mr. Schwartz realize that he contradicts himself in the first 30 seconds, and the rest of his remarks don't prove his assertion?
Did we really stop teaching logic in school before Mr. Schwartz's generation?
Mr. Schwartz is really arguing the date of Peak Oil is later than others suggest, not that it doesn't exist. He cites non-transparent reserve data, an argument that cuts both ways, and so does not help us determine the date. He cites technology, but admits it is costly, something that is part of careful Peak Oil problem statements (i.e. we will see in cheap oil soon). Finally, even technology plus additional reserves is not sufficient to disprove the peak oil hypothesis; he would need to show sufficient reserves and technology to continue increased exponential production of oil in the next decade; it is not clear that case can me made convincingly. It is a shame he did not try, as we might have learned something useful, instead being treated to a rant.
In summary, it is a shame that Mr. Schwartz did not present a better case against the appropriate peak oil problem statement, instead of setting up a false strawman to knock down.
Sad to witness
Submitted on June 14th, 2009 by Gary McMurtry (not verified)Mr Schwartz is doing no one any favors with such arguments at this late date. One obvious hole in his argument against Peak Oil is his admission that future oil will be more costly, from harder to obtain reservoirs. Why? Because, as he very well knows, most if not all of the easily obtained oil has been discovered, produced and is now running out. As Prof. Aleklett and his students at the University of Uppsala have shown, it's the super-giant oil fields that contain by far the most oil on the planet, these were easily discovered over 40 years ago, and they are all now in production decline, hence Peak Oil is now, not in the future.
One would think an expert of Mr Schwartz's stature would educate himself better in these matters before adding confusion to the critical topic of Peak Oil for our government's leaders at this critical time. Sad to witness.
Peter's statements are true, his opinions misleading
Submitted on July 8th, 2009 by David Stein (not verified)These are the statements that Peter made, amongst his rhetoric:
There will some day be a peak in oil.
There probably is a finite reservoir of oil on the planet.
There is a day when we will reach peak production.
We don't really know how much oil is in most of the oil reservoirs in the world.
Most of the data is in private or state government hands and they are not particularly forthcoming about how much is there.
The field production estimates are usually conservative, which results in them increasing once actual production happens and over some time of production.
Technology improves (EOR and deep offshore). It improves exploration and production capabilities of "more" oil.
What is gone, at the margin (key phrase), is cheap oil outside of the Middle East, Russia, etc.
Deep offshore is expensive. Deep underground is expensive. The marginal oil is going to be more costly.
The deep offshore off Brazil is more costly, but "it's big" (note he did not use the term "giant" or "super-giant").
Side note: This agrees with the CNN quote: responding to a question asking if offshore Brazil is the next Saudi Arabia, Rex Tillerson (CEO of Exxon/Mobil) said, "It's no doubt large, but to characterize it as the next Saudi Arabia mischaracterized the resource."
We are not going to run out of oil before the issue of climate change drives our change.
It'll be costly oil, but it's climate change and more expensive oil, not the fact that we're running out of oil, that will drive change.
None of his statements (as opposed to opinions) contradict the WEO 2008 report. In fact they support Peak Oil's major points. Why are we tapping "marginal", expensive oil? Because we have to -- the easy, cheap oil is running too low to satisfy demand.
We do know production profiles from depleted and existing fields. We do know that Ghawar is in decline (5.1 mb/d in 2007 vs. peak of 5.6 mb/d in 1980), in fact 17 of the top 20 producing fields worldwide are in decline (WEO 2008, pg 225). Numbers 9, 10, and 13 may not have peaked, but in 2007 they made up less than 9.5% of the top 20 field's total.
I agree with the WEO executive summary's opening statement:
"The world's energy system is at a crossroads. Current global trends in energy supply and consumption are patently unsustainable -- environmentally, economically, socially. But that can -- and must -- be altered; there's still time to change the road we're on. It is not an exaggeration to claim that the future of human prosperity depends on how successfully we tackle the two central energy challenges facing us today: securing the supply of reliable and affordable energy; and effecting a rapid transformation to a low-carbon, efficient and environmentally benign system of energy supply. What is needed is nothing short of an energy revolution."
waa waa waa, i cant wait for
Submitted on August 9th, 2009 by Andrew Richmond (not verified)waa waa waa, i cant wait for oil to become debilitatingly expensive, so you people stop blabbing on the internet and actually talk to someone in person.
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